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The Wakefield committers may hold off-line discussions from time-to-time. Since these meetings are just for the committers and invited wayland experts, summary minutes will be recorded here as time permits

Online Zoom Meeting 9am PDT Dec 7th  2023

Attendees: Niels de Graef,  Victor D'yakov,   Alexey Ushakov, Philip Race,  Olivier Fourdan, Maxim Kartashev, Alexander Zvegintsev

Alexander:

I don't have much to share regarding Wakefield, just that the fix for not showing focusable popups has been pushed.

Alexey:

Recently Nikita asked about usage of C++ standary library in on Wakefield mainling list, I understand is not quite good for us. What about just C++? Hotspot use it.

Philip:

I do not like C++ at all, hotspots themselves had consequnces it terms of they basically had to abandom supporting some OSes because of C++,

and the Solaris organization said that they deliberately never allowed any part of core solaris to be written in C++. It just takes away a problem if we just stick to C.

Alexey:

The question is whether we should use C heavily or just move to java where it is possible?

Philip:

Yes, that sort of the architechture we've had in every other implementation of everything, it all lives in java then you just call native.

If we were to look at a long term future, we could use FFM. The idea there is that you write everything in java, and the native library just accessed throught FFM.

So writing it oriented around the native implementation, makes it a little bit harder to move to the FFM.

So I am not saying that you should adopt FFM for this, but you might want to think of it.

FFM is final as of JDK 22, I already pushed a small usage of it, but I have to jump through hoops. The biggest issue that we have that it needs some time to warm up.

Maxim:

The largest chunk of work that I did was to try to merry code in the Idea to the new reality of Wayland, some quirks that I asked on the mailing list,

when some window loses focus and it cannot know which one is going to get it.

The approach of waiting just  a little bit for the other window to aquire focus works quite well(so far in a very limited context), but I am still trying things out.

Philip:

We saw that the Red Hat Linux 10 is planning to drop the X.org and X11 session, do you know when Fedora is going to do so?

Niels:

Since Fedora is a community project, it is up to the community to decide. Fedora can take many more packages, if they want they can have a Cinnamon or other sessions, but we will not have X.org in RHEL10.

Philip:

I have a question regarding the OL/RHEL 9, Red Hat empasized stability, but the version of Gnome doesn't seem to support the restore token functionality that we make important use of it the screen capture code.

It was added in later version of Gnome, which did not make into 9, and it seems to be dooming us never be able to test Red Hat Linux 9 in X11 compatibility mode. If is definitely the case that they won't be ever upgrade Gnome in 9?

Niels:

We usually keep packages the same, but we do backports when required. Specifically for the restore token I thought we solve this in 9.3(released few weeks ago). But if it isn't there you can always file a bug for that, and we can internally investigate it.

My advice would be to check the latest available.

Online Zoom Meeting 9am PDT Nov 9th  2023

Attendees: Niels de Graef,  Victor D'yakov,   Alexey Ushakov,  Kevin Rushforth, Philip Race,  Olivier Fourdan, Maxim Kartashev, Alexander Zvegintsev

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